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    • Molly78
      I am now starting to taper down from 200 mg.  The caffeine problem postponed this for a while - constantly feeling jittery made tapering down difficult.  Have started again last week, going down 10 mg a week - tomorrow down to 180 mg. I want to be lime @Mom2JTx3 & exist on my script from GP, which is only 60 mg at the moment.  Might have a go at getting it put up again - I think max recommended dose for adults in UK is 100 mg.  GP thinks they are prescribing for muscle spasm in the back. On a different topic - anyone heard from @Ne1 recently?
    • StuckinLA
      Hello all. Hope we're doing well. Not much new here, just working and hanging with the girl. Went out to a couple nice dinners for Valentine's day, or week, or whatever. Actually quite a few sit-down dinners lately. Man, that's getting expensive.  Pretty light week coming up, two of my three classes are pretty much on autopilot between now and spring break. So trying to use the extra time productively. We shall see how that goes   It's awesome that you're down to just your prescription, @Mom2JTx3.
    • Mom2JTx3
      Hello all. How is everyone?  @Jetsman32, I’m so happy to hear the your taper is going well and you have no urge to drink.  I think that abstaining all togetherr gives us the best possible chance of beating this for good. i have tapered successfully from 310mg to 120mg. I now take only what my doctor will prescribe so no supplementing from other sources anymore!   I have noticed a minor craving once or twice so am sitting at this level for awhile. I would like to get off completely though. My new role at work is extremely challenging and I think my brain off of Baclofen is better than my brain on it.  OR maybe I’m just older now and don’t have the brain power that I use to! I hope everyone has a good week.  I’m traveling out west where it’s warm and sunny so am looking forward to getting away from this snow.
    • Jetsman32
      Hi all- I hope everyone is doing well! @Molly78 I am surprised to hear that you are overdosing on caffeine. I consider myself to be an advanced caffeine addict. I typically drink 4-5 cups of black coffee each day plus on average 6 diet cokes. I'll even have a diet coke right before bed and sleep like a baby. I have to tell you that detox sounds like hell but glad you are handling it so well. I know that if I don't have coffee or a diet coke within 1 hour of waking up I get a headache that just won't quit. @MJM congrats on the sober time! You are doing great. Trying not to drink is challenging on it's own, but with you dealing with a spouse with a similar issue I can't imagine the difficulty. That makes your sober time that much more special! @Otter I agree with you wholeheartedly about the medical community not recognizing or taking advantage of baclofen as a treatment for alcoholism. I was the first baclofen patient for my psychiatrist (I was already indifferent when I went to her) and it took a lot to convince her that I had found a treatment that worked. I went to her with the sole intent of getting a prescription and she later told me that all of her peers thought she was crazy for prescribing me baclofen and supporting my treatment. Even after she saw me for over a year and knew that it worked, she still told me that she would not be adding it to her treatment plans for other patients. The entire medical community is so ingrained in AA that it's sickening. If alcoholism is truly a "disease"than how in the world does asking people to forgive you and going to meetings act as treatment? Imagine telling a cancer patient that all they need to do is the 12 steps to get well! A disease needs to be treated medically and  from a pharmaceutical perspective. I pray that eventually this fact will catch on.   On a semi-related point, my friends and I were tossing around some hypothetical the other day and the question posed was why are different diseases treated totally differently by the medical community and the government. As an example, heroin addicts can go to a methadone clinic and get treated for free. Why isn't that the same for diabetes or cancer? Makes you think...... As for me, all is well and I am content. Settling into the new job. I don't make as much as I did before, in fact quite a bit less but there is a nice upside for commission which I plan to take advantage of.  The worst part is that my company does not offer health insurance so we have been paying for a very basic family plan out of pocket that only covers doctor visits and generic prescriptions (still costs me $600 per month). The great news on this is that my wife, who works retail found out that she is being promoted into a manager role in two weeks so she will go to full-time status and be able to get company benefits whic his simply awesome for us. As far as my taper goes, thanks to some awesome people on this forum that have sent me extra bac, I have gone slowly and am now down to 130 per day from 240. I've been at this level for a few weeks now and will start to go down again next week. Surprisingly, I still have no urge to drink.
    • Elizabeth
      Thanks for sharing that with me. I’m glad she is doing better. I am currently waiting on a dr apt to talk a bout these medications. 
    • Otter
      Hi Elizabeth My wife had an alcohol problem going back to the early 1990's and was going to AA.  She had a stroke in 1997 when she was in her late 30's and then had heart surgery. During all that she went through divorce, when to residential rehab and then lost both her children who were taken into care.  I met her several years later and she was in a bad way but we had a child in 2002.  The social services came down on us just because of the severity of her drinking. I struggled to keep my business going and then had to get a job while she sunk into what appeared to me to be a terminal alcoholic condition. We went to every doctor and service we could find for alcoholism but it wasn't until 2009 that we found baclofen after watching a tv show about Dr. Ameisen. After years of struggling to get the medication and a doctor and many relapses, child services interventions, court hearings etc, I retired and we moved to Cyprus.  My wife is pretty much 100% now on baclofen and Campral.  At one point, I thought she would be dead by now but life is now ok.   As of the time she started on baclofen she had been drinking as an alcoholic for probably about 20 years and was drinking 1.5 litres of vodka a day. We were told by one addictions nurse that alcoholics, on average, try to quit 50 times before they stop on their own.  With baclofen, the results were immediate. She felt a difference as soon as she started taking the medication.  It took a long time to get the dosage right, get medical assistance with it, get over the problems of a 20 year addiction etc etc etc.  But, it definitely works.  It's a long road but there is hope.
    • Otter
      My wife is back in Scotland with my son.  My mother in law is in a bad state, having broken her hip last weekend.  She's got Alzheimers and has lost most of her body fat. She's just a skeleton.  She was more or less ok a year ago and came for the summer, fell and broke her arm and had to be flown home.  Since then she's lost probably 80 or 90 llbs.  There's nothing left of her. She's delusional and quite agressive. She can't walk either.   I just wonder how long she's going to last. Seems this type of condition causes a steep decline once it takes hold. It's been 9 years my wife has been on baclofen now. She's had maybe three or four big relapses over the last couple of years lasting from a day to three or four days and then recovered.  I think the cause is not alcohol use at all. I'm pretty sure now that she has a serious neurological condition caused in part by her stroke and in part by diet, and also genetics.  Her mother seems to have the same physiology and the same behavioural problems and she has no history of alcohol use or abuse.  She's never had any issues with alcohol.  It's got to do with brain impairment on the right side. I found an article on the link between neurology and anxiety and depression and it said that right side brain impairment is linked to anxiety and left side impairment is linked to depression. I'll try to find the article but my wife had brain damage on the right side, resulting in mild paralysis of the left side of her body, some speech impairment and deep-seated anxiety, which is what she has always said causes her drinking.    It's interesting to look back over the past several years and see how she's been able to get on top of this illness. At one time she would not even have been able to go outside the house from one month to the next and now she's back in the UK doing business and supporting her mother.  All down to this treatment.  It was, in the end, the combination of baclofen and campral which topped off her treatment. On baclofen alone, she still had a problem with anger, particularly in the morning.  With the Campral, she's much calmer.   It's such a shame, though, that so few people in the medical research and treatment field really give a damn about this at all.  So many people could be helped, and here we are 10 years after Ameisen published his book and the whole medical profession, medical academia and government are blind to this.  
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