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  2. Pamela Parker

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Take baclofen exactly as prescribed by your doctor. If you increase the dosages probable side effects - Blurred or double vision Bloody or dark urine chest pain fainting hallucinations mental depression or other mood change Some medicine works slow on addicted person though you are not addicted. If it doesn't works as per your exceptions, you may consult to change the medicine or the dosages. You can get few idea from this drugs.com/sfx/baclofen-side-effects.html What type of benzoes did you take? Lorazepam is among the most potent benzodiazepines available. Since it is a very strong drug, the potential of becoming addicted to it is also greater than other benzos. Just like other Benzos, lorazepam is habit forming when used for long periods of time. Even people who take it for therapeutic purpose may end up developing physical and psychological dependence. Felina gave a very good information on your problem. It helps others also. If we discuss more on these, the form will be enrich with information and helps people. You can get some information form here also - addictionrehabcenters.com/drug-addiction/warning-signs-symptoms-side-effects-ativan-abuse/
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  4. Hello, I am trying to find a doctor in Sydney to prescribe me baclofen. I've been knocked back by 2 gps so far. Dr Amanda Stafford gave me the name of Dr mark hardy however I can't get an appointment with him till March. I'm really hoping to get help sooner. So, fellow sydney sider's. Can you help? I'm also happy to do a telemedicine conference call type thing. I really want to quit alcohol, I hate that they make it so hard Thanks Lach
  5. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    I'm 36 hours in and I'm feeling pretty strange already! But I've given myself some time out and I'm feeling kind of like I'm going through something big here! The start of an interesting journey. Thanks so much for your support!
  6. Felina

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    OMG that's great news! Congratulations! Please keep us posted on how your progress goes. I found my baclofen titration to be a strange journey, sometimes uncomfortable but ultimately life-changing.
  7. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    Hi, I saw my GP this morning and he looked at the thesis I'd put together on treating Alcohol dependence with Baclofen and gave me a script straight away! So pleased!!!! I've started treatment already, Thanks so much for your advice and info Felina!
  8. Discodez

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    @Felina wow his post is pretty great. I decided to chill a little bit after reading it, and also after I got some of the bad side effects. Severe facial swelling, double vision to the point of being afraid to get out of bed, those were the two big ones. Also a couple little waves of nausea but I didn't puke. Edit on the nerve pain: I think I was complaining about back and neck pain at the time (still there even with baclofen), but that was before I had it all over my body. Which is a classic symptom of benzo withdrawal. Thank you for your response!
  9. Felina

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Hi @Discodez, The side effects from taking too much baclofen can range from nausea, dizziness, severe anxiety, somnolence, and vision disturbances to much more severe ones. If you read @terryk's baclofen story here, he presented a pretty harrowing account: "Post "switch," my indifference has been effortless. My titration, however, was *definitely* not. I had very, very severe side-effects and wound up restrained in the ER and hospitalized for 5 days when I tried to increase my dose too high, too soon, and started drinking *A LOT.* Increasing 20mg/week was too rapid for me and I settled closer to 10mg/week, and even then, day 2 after the increase was always a doozy, with intense hallucinations and shocks to my hands/fingers. All in all, it took 7 months of slow, steady titration for me to find indifference @280mg/day." I've been on these forums (and on baclofen) for almost 10 years. The problem with going up in dosage too fast, as you can see in Terry's account above, is that people often don't get hit with the full force of the side effects for a couple of days after an increase. So people who titrate up extremely fast can get hit with a tidal wave of horrible effects that can completely derail their experience. I can't emphasize enough that slow, steady titration will give you the best chance of success. I personally upped my dose by 20 mgs/week, although French doctors recommend something around 10 mgs every 4 days. I would always get hit with a wave of nausea and dizziness a couple of days afterwards. I can't tell you how long you should expect to be on it. Some people taper off after a couple of years. I've been on baclofen for many years and am afraid to taper down too much. I'm currently taking 100 mgs/day. I've never heard of baclofen being used to treat nerve pain. I know that a lot of people combine baclofen with Gabapentin, which is another GABA-B agonist and does help with nerve pain. Besides titrating up too fast, the other big issue that can derail people on baclofen is that they try to continue drinking "moderately" and end up "drinking through their switch." If you are able to abstain, your titration up will be much, much easier. Baclofen pairs very well with antabuse. Here is an older (but still relevant) collection of success stories from our sister forum. There is a lot of great wisdom in those posts.
  10. Discodez

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Hello everyone, First time here! I’m 34. Had been taking benzos on and off since since my early 20s. About 3 years ago, I started day drinking as well as night drinking, and using Xanax in the morning for the hangover and withdrawal. Bad idea, don’t ever do it lol. This year, my alcohol use landed me in the hospital 3 times, one was twice in one day. I couldn’t stop throwing up, so unable to keep enough alcohol in me to not seize. I was told I had given myself gastritis, given more benzos, then continued to take Xanax .05 a day for the entire 30 days. After that, I knew I couldn’t just stop. So then came the tapering, then the drinking again. Today, I am 4 months clean off any benzos, and I have had every symptom in the book in that time. The worst being nerve pain, which is sometimes just numbness, that’s easier to handle than just pain. Drinking increases the pain, so I’m actively committed to quitting. Enter baclofen! I asked my doctor for it after she tried to give it to me once and I declined. I started at 5 mgs a day for a few days, and am now at 50 mgs. I am worried that I increased a little too fast, but I’m getting desperate to stop the booze. I can honestly say that I don’t have as much desire for it, but I also know the dangers of just quitting that. So while ramping up the Baclofen, slowly decreasing the alcohol, and doing it all while suffering horrible side effects of benzo WD, well, it’s been real fun! My questions are: what are the side effects of taking too much baclofen to quickly? How long can I expect to be on it for, and how gnarly are the side effects of coming off? Why isn’t it helping with the nerve pain when I was told it would? Any other advice or success stories are welcomed and appreciated!
  11. guardian

    Looking for suggestions.

    Hi Ava, Welcome to the forum. I think for anyone who is struggling and has no other immediate resources, AA is a good first step. I can't recommend it as a solution for long-term sobriety, but it is helpful to be around other people with similar problems and are working to help themselves.
  12. avajones77

    Looking for suggestions.

    Hello everyone, I am looking for some suggestions. I have a drinking problem and I am facing a lot of problems because of it. I am trying my best to quit this habit, but it's difficult for me. I don't know what to do. One of my colleagues suggested me to get some medical support. Can someone suggest a good place I can consider? I have been searching for one and I found this rehabilitation center in Toronto. Does anyone know about their treatment methods? Kindly share your suggestions. Thank you.
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  16. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    Thanks so much Felina!!! I'm soooooo glad I didn't waste more time & lots of $$$ trying to order it online to arrive in Canada before he returns to NZ. I have a lot of confidence in my GP so I've already been arming myself up in preparation for the appt on the 7th,, from reading "The End of my Addiction" so thanks for the advice on doing that too. I also just did 36 hours without any wine attempting to use the meds that I have on hand and that have been recommended by multiple Drs, Benzos, clonidine & bupropion, and spent this morning in tears because of an unshakable sense of overwhelming sadness & frustration. Noone on the closed IGNTD facebook "recovery" group that I'm paying for liked or commented on my reaching out from yesterday, although from the course material that's how I first heard about Baclofen, in the "medication primer". It feels like I've been hitting my head against a brick wall for years while being totally driven and motivated to help others, and myself. Over the last 12 months its been feeling like I'm lying on the floor in undeniable pain, but because I'm drinking, I'm being treated like a criminal & am being kicked by many of the people I thought loved me and wanted to help me. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your reply. "The End of my Addiction" and this new hope feels like a lifeline! Again thanks for your advice!!!!
  17. Felina

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    Hi @Marnie Hart, Regarding bringing baclofen from Vancouver without a script: I think your friend will have a hard time since baclofen requires a prescription in Canada. I was unfamiliar with New Zealand's laws regarding ordering from online pharmacies, so I did a little digging. At least from what I saw here, it sounds like it could also be challenging to order it online without a prescription. I would suggest putting together all of the research you can on baclofen - the book The End of My Addiction, the research from this website etc. and study it well. Take it with you to your doctor appointment on the 7th. That was how I got my provider to prescribe to me, even though she had never heard of the treatment. Knowledge is power! Another suggestion would be to reach out to Dr. Amanda Stafford at baclofentreatment.com. She put out a call here for any prescribers in NZ and Australia to reach out if they would be willing to prescribe baclofen. I'm sure she could give you some guidance.
  18. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    Hi Everyone, I live in Christchurch New Zealand and I came across "The End of my Addiction" 2 days ago. I was googling meds for alcohol addiction and I have been trying to get started with reducing my alcohol use by doing an online program called IGNTD. I'm currently using benzo's, bupropion & clonidine to withdraw from Alcohol but with no luck. Now I'm worried about my Benzo usage. I have a really amazing GP who I'm hoping will prescribe Baclofen when he reopens on the 7th of Jan. I've made an appointment to see him then. I can't stop reading The End of my Addiction, I have been suffering from major spinal accidents and surgeries and I feel like I've tried everything to reduce my Alcohol intake. After one recent surgery I was persuaded to go and stay at my parents house to recover in a small town. They ended up ringing the Police 2 days after my major surgery and I ended up in my PJ's running around the streets trying to find someone who would understand that a night in the cells was not what I needed. I was just totally upset and beside myself with being cornered into an "intervention" when all I needed most was understanding and respite. I completely relate to the adverse treatment of a person struggling with addiction in comparison that a patient may receive for other illnesses. Shame, cornering someone into a position when they are completely helpless and needed caring and understanding DOES not work. Especially after major surgery!!! Although I have little faith in many of the Doctors I've had to deal with over the duration of my life. The medical profession is in crisis, and with an aging population it's only going to get worse. Big Pharma's and the current readily prescribed treatment for addiction and anxiety is totally flawed in my opinion. I have a close family member who is a Doctor and I have spent years supporting other family members through serious health issues including Cancer. My Daughter was misdiagnosed for years with chronic asthma, when she had an undiagnosed bronchial infection deep in her lungs. By the time this was finally diagnosed she had been on heavy doses of steroids for 5 years which had stunted her growth. Whoops this is turning into a bit of a novel. Baclofen sounds like the answer to many people's addiction issues and I completely agree with Olivier Ameisen's point of view that the medical profession is a slow moving antiquated profession. Anyway, I'm glad I discovered his book and this forum and I can't wait to try his method! I have a friend who is in Vancouver for the next week & a half and I'm wondering if anyone has any advice on the possibility that he can bring some Baclofen back for me without a script? Thanks and Merry Xmas!!!
  19. Sue

    Where to get baclofen safely

    Thank you for that much appreciated
  20. Felina

    Where to get baclofen safely

    Hi Sue - I am not a doctor and can't give medical advice, but I can say that baclofen is largely processed through the kidneys, not the liver/pancreas. It's a very safe drug overall.
  21. Sue

    Where to get baclofen safely

    Only 1 thing I cant find is baclofen and pantritis can my partner take it still he had last attack of pantritis 1 month ago?
  22. Sue

    Where to get baclofen safely

    Thank you I did read a few older posts and found one you have mentioned I'm in uk and doctors rubbish basically for helping my partner such a shame as baclofen worked for him before then taken of it and cant get it now so sadly have to go down this route but lots of advice on here its fantastic thanks x
  23. Felina

    Where to get baclofen safely

    Hi @Sue, If you're in the US or the UK, it's pretty easy to order baclofen online. Here is a list of online pharmacies that members of this community have used: I have personally used River Pharmacy, Alldaychemist, and (especially) Goldpharma. All are reputable. River Pharmacy is in Canada and ships from India; Alldaychemist is in India, and Goldpharma is in Germany. They ship to the US very fast. I got my last couple order about 8 days after ordering. Here is the prescribing guide:https://www.dropbox.com/s/am8xfri1eqykbq3/Prescription Guide.pdf?dl=0. It is very important to go slow and steady with baclofen titration, no matter how urgently your partner may want to increase his dosage. Side effects from rapid titration can sneak up on people who go too fast.
  24. Hi need some help in getting baclofen for my partner to help with stopping drinking as addiction service wont give him it and he needs help now any advice very gratefully needed. Thank you
  25. Pamela Parker

    MikasDad

    I got this report from a very authentic website https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193236/ Generally I follow these for recent update baclofene.org, ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, addictionrehabcenters.com
  26. Tony

    MikasDad

    Thanks, Pamela. Is there a new report? I did not see anything attached to your post.
  27. Pamela Parker

    MikasDad

    Both baclofen and alcohol are depressants. This means that they lower the neurotransmission levels in the brain, creating a relaxed, mellow feeling. High-dose baclofen has been shown to produce a remarkable state of indifference toward alcohol. The present report is an analysis of the author’s medical charts of patients taking, or having taken, very high doses of baclofen, i.e., more than 300 mg/day for the treatment of their alcohol dependence.
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