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I wanted to alert anyone seeking a Baclofen prescribing doctor that I recently communicated with Dr. Philip E. Thomas in the UK who runs a Baclofen website where he states that he prescribes to his many hundreds of patients including patients in the USA. He contracted with me for his 12 week program. I sent him a wire transfer for $2000 USD for his "12 week program". He was friendly, concerned, responded to my emails until he received the money. I never heard from him again. He will not respond to my emails. My bank has confirmed with his bank that he received the money. My bank recalled the wire transfer but Dr. Thomas did not return the money. He provided no services for the money. I saw another posting by someone on another Baclofen forum that said Dr. Philip Thomas was a fraud, don't send him any money. This person said Dr. Thomas took his money and then could not be reached by email or phone. I have filed fraud charges against this doctor. Don't want anyone else to have this happen to them. Don't send Dr. Phillip E. Thomas in the UK any money.  He uses many alias to post on Baclofen forums and is still active in his postings, pushing his prescribing handbook and more.

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Felina

Hi @Kellygirl302.

I'm so sorry that happened to you! I have unfortunately heard so many similar stories over the years about this man, and he is most definitely a fraud. He lost his medical license, so he cannot prescribe baclofen or any other medications. He peddles overpriced baclofen counseling programs to the most desperate people. He got a lot of his info from the mywayout site. He used to try to sell his program on there until he was pretty much laughed out. I 'm glad you reported him and I really hope something comes of it. In my opinion he should be locked up.

I hope you continue posting here. The good people on this site can offer much better advice than that jerk can, and they won't try to scam you. If you need to find a doctor who will prescribe bac in the US we can offer advice.

Thank you so much for the warning. It needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the baclofen community.

 

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Kellygirl302

I am looking for a doctor who would be willing to try Baclofen as an option.  I am in the mid-Atlantic region but would be willing to travel to a doctor along the east coast.  I did not see any doctors listed for the PA area.  What about the NC doctor?  Anyone have any info about that doctor?  I have a friend in NC and could go there.

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Molly78

Kellygirl, I can't help with advice about docs as I am in the UK, but I want to say how sorry I am you were taken in by Dr Phill.  I have had some phone contact with him, & I have to say I felt uneasy about his "advice".

If you can't find a doc, maybe you could order online & get going with advice from this website? Whatever, don't give up!

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Baclofenman

Indeed - I had not heard of this money situation before

I have read all sorts on his professional claims/struck off for "serious departure from the relevant professional standards as set out in Good Medical Practice" etc....

Whilst his claims appear to be convincing, they are misleading or moot** at best and his claim to be a FRCS is a lie

I would be interested to know more about this money situation - Payee bank details - Was he using a @aol email? - Contact information - Their are journalists about who would love the opportunity to make an exposure on this

Regards

 

Bacman

**Interestingly his own profile description on You will need register or log in to read this content links erroneously to another Phillip Thomas, which I would suspect is in an effort to enable the profile to be credited as inaccurate in the event of question

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Kellygirl302

I am reluctant to try online pharmacies as I know that Dr. Phil Thomas had a pharmacy he was working with in his "12 week programe" that he was going to refer me to for the Baclofen once I sent the payment.  His $2000 USD was just his consulting fee for prescribing advice for 12 weeks.  I don't have medical insurance and when you are going to the ER and detox every other week the charges accumulate fast. The hospital does not want you there and detox  won't take you without hospital clearance.  You start to get scared and desperate.   I  then tried reaching out to another forum member from Canada for advice and that person referred me to an online pharmacy and recommended Dr. Thomas's Baclofen handbook as a valuable resource.  That really scarred me off from buying online.

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Felina

@Kellygirl302 - many people on here have used River Pharmacy or Goldpharma for online meds for several years, and never had a problem. As far as the NC doctor, someone should be able to chime in and give you more info. 

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StuckinLA

I never had a problem with Goldpharma, though I was using it a few years ago and haven't used it since. A lot of people really liked River. Either way, it's not as big a deal as you think it is to order meds online.

Once a shipment from Goldpharma didn't arrive - and I clicked their little help box or whatever on the website, and they overnighted a replacement free of charge. That only happened once, though. Every other order arrived without a hitch.

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Baclofenman

I would recommend River - Used them several times without issue

Regards

 

Bacman

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SKendall

Hi Kelly, Yep, he's a fraud.  He actually had some fans on MWO and was so narcisssitic he started sending selfies.  The last one he sent was him just out of the shower (waist up).  He then became bizarre and apparently had a psychotic break.  Maybe Otter or Terry remember him.

I'm sorry he took your money and maybe you posting will prevent others giving money to him.

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12 minutes ago, SKendall said:

Hi Kelly, Yep, he's a fraud.  He actually had some fans on MWO and was so narcisssitic he started sending selfies.  The last one he sent was him just out of the shower (waist up).  He then became bizarre and apparently had a psychotic break.  Maybe Otter or Terry remember him.

I'm sorry he took your money and maybe you posting will prevent others giving money to him.

You mean me? Did I do that? I swear it sounds exactly like something I would do. ;)

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Felina

Ha @SKendall, he doesn't even bother putting a shirt on for some of his stupid videos. Such a professional.

 

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SKendall

No, you didn't do that (Idon't think) I saw that video Stuck and Felina. On his website he mentions "I" and "we" too much.  He is just creepy.

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Ne1
On 5/23/2016 at 10:06 PM, Kellygirl302 said:

I am reluctant to try online pharmacies as I know that Dr. Phil Thomas had a pharmacy he was working with in his "12 week programe" that he was going to refer me to for the Baclofen once I sent the payment.  His $2000 USD was just his consulting fee for prescribing advice for 12 weeks.  I don't have medical insurance and when you are going to the ER and detox every other week the charges accumulate fast. The hospital does not want you there and detox  won't take you without hospital clearance.  You start to get scared and desperate.   I  then tried reaching out to another forum member from Canada for advice and that person referred me to an online pharmacy and recommended Dr. Thomas's Baclofen handbook as a valuable resource.  That really scarred me off from buying online.

Hi, Kelly. A belated welcome to the forum. Holy wow, I cannot believe that Phill is still in "business". I'm really sorry that happened to you.

I have a psychiatrist who prescribes baclofen, but I'm not sure she can prescribe out of state. I'm in Norfolk, Virginia. @Felina, how did that work when you saw an out of state doctor? I'd ask my doctor, but she's on vacation this week. Dammit. ;) 

Using an online pharmacy is easy-peasy. I always used River when I was ordering online, before I found a psychiatrist who would work with me. As other people have pointed out, Phill is unable to prescribe and I cannot imagine how he affiliated himself with an online pharmacy as a go-between, which would clearly be illegal, but maybe he just suggests one for people to use and he gets a commission or something? 

Regardless, that's not how River or Goldpharma work. You just get on the website and order. With River, you need to call and give them your credit card number over the phone. Or they'll send you a Paypal link and you can pay directly through Paypal, which I much prefer. Before they offered Paypal, I had to call my credit card company to authorize the payment, and the credit card company charged an extra fee for an international charge. Very annoying. I used a different card after that, one that didn't charge the extra fee or need the authorization. 

The directory of online pharmacies is here:

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The other option is to call addiction psychiatrists in your area and ask if they use baclofen for alcoholism treatment. If you're near Philly, you may find one. In less metropolitan areas, it may be harder. In the short run, it's cheaper to order online. In the long run, it's usually cheaper to have a doctor. But if you don't have insurance, I'm betting the cheaper option is actually the online one...And either one is WAY cheaper than that crook you fell victim to. God. I was around when he was active on the other forum, and yes, I remember all of the crazy stuff he did over the years. I thought he'd gotten it together and was actually helping people, though. Not that $2k isn't a ransom to charge for advice that is freely given here and in other places online, but to just steal the money? I'm really, really sorry that happened to you. 

How did you hear about baclofen? Have you read about it? Have you read Dr. Olivier Ameisen's book? I hope you'll keep us posted about what  you decide to do. Either way, hang in there. 

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Felina
5 hours ago, Ne1 said:

 @Felina, how did that work when you saw an out of state doctor?

I just called him and set an appointment. I told him I'd be flying in from another state and he was fine with that.

@Kellygirl302 you mentioned the East Coast. I thought I'd ask just in case, do you ever go to Chicago? 

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Kellygirl302

Hello, NE1

I would be interested in getting an appointment with the Norfolk, VA doctor that does prescribe Baclofen. I have read the papers written by the North Carolina doctor, Dan Jonas, M.D. and his research and publications do not include Baclofen.  Most of his papers reference medications that have not worked.  I can travel to Norfolk for the necessary appointments.  Ne1, please let me know if your doctor would consider treating an out of state person if that person is willing to travel there for appointments.  I have a list of doctors that are addiction psychiatrists and have called everyone on the list in the PA, MD, NJ, and DE area.  Not one would say it they would consider Baclofen as a treatment for alcoholism.    Thanks.

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Ne1

Hiya, Kelly. I'm sorry that you weren't able to get any information about doctors closer to you to help with baclofen. That sucks. 

My doctor's information is: 

On 3/24/2016 at 5:20 PM, Admin2 said:

Lara Kain, PA-C

757-497-3670

Tidewater Psychotherapy Services

Virginia Beach, VA

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She's also a Life Coach. 

 

She's on vacation this week. I'll text her and ask if she can prescribe for you if you come in person. I'm not sure that she would know the answer, and may have to check when she gets back. 

She is AMAZING. She does therapy via phone/facetime/skype, too. I highly recommend her for therapy, but it's out of pocket for most people because she's a Psychiatric Assistant and insurance companies don't cover therapy appointments with doctors. Or something. I dunno. It's all kerfuffled, and totally frustrating that my therapy appointments with her aren't covered, but she's well worth the money. It's $75 for a therapy appointment. 

But if you aren't interested in therapy, I think that she would just need to see you every 3 months for a med appointment in order to prescribe. Those appointments ARE covered by insurance, if they accept your insurance in her practice. 

Easiest way to reach her is to text her your information at the phone number I listed above. I'll let her know to expect the contact, she'll set up a time to call you, and you guys can figure out what will work best for you. 

I think she gets back from vacation on Monday, but I'm not sure. I have an appointment with her on Tues, so I know she'll be back by then. 

 

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Felina

@Ne1 $75 a therapy appointment? That's amazing. I might contact her myself.

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I know, right?! I told her she's too cheap. Not that I want that to change, it's hard enough to afford, since Ed and I both see her, separately. But she loves therapy, much more than just writing scripts for people. (Not that she begrudges doing that. She knows it's part of her life/responsibility!) She actually considers herself a life coach and that's her ultimate goal. She's writing a self-help book. I'm in it apparently. Ha! She asked my permission and told me that she named me Missy. I told her Missy was too mousy and I needed a different name, but otherwise, hell yes! I'm gonna be anonymously famous! 

Seriously, Felina, she is the best therapist/doctor I've ever seen in my life. And like you, I've seen more than my fair share. (I know it may seem hypocritical to gush about her when I'm still depressed and still drinking, but I'm gonna do it anyway...) She gets us and this disease and talks about it and thinks about it just like we do. Despite the fact that her first job out of school was at a rehab for 3 years. Or rather, because of it. She thinks AA can be really debilitating and knows that alcoholism is a disease and not a spiritual malady, ffs. But that's not why I love her. I love her because her insight is often profound and she has helped me get to the source of things that are negatively affecting my life and wellness. It also helps that she's all into chakras and breathing and meditation and crystals and all that jazz. Not that I buy into any of that, though I suppose I do just because I trust her so much. But basically, I just do what she tells me to do based on whatever chakra-thingy she perceives is going on. xD And I want to be just like her when I grow up. She's made me realize that it's important to have a doctor/therapist that I can admire and trust to actually mentor me to a better life. Not just one that makes me take a pill and/or has some platitudes to offer after listening to me babble on for an hour. 

I loved the therapist I saw before her, too. But after seeing Lara, I realized that my old therapist was just very validating of who I was and what I felt and thought. She offered insight, too, but not like Lara. Lara doesn't mince words. And she sees right through my bullshit. It's very cool. I'll stop gushing now. 

Okay, not yet. I think that she has started to see this; this forum, me and Ed, alcoholism/addiction, as part of her future focus in life. I think that we were meant for each other, honestly. And I've said as much, and she's agreed. Neither of us is ready for whatever that future looks like, yet, but it's there for the grasping when we're ready and we both know it. I can't WAIT for her to get on here and figure out if there's a place/way she can participate. But she's got a book to finish and I've got to get better. And get an actual job that pays me. 

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Kellygirl302

Hi NE1,

Therapy would be welcome as well as medication.  Your help is appreciated.  Let me know what your doctor says if she will see me if I go to VA for the appointments.  I did call Dr. Dan Jonas in Chapel Hill NC today and he is not taking new patients.

 

Thanks.

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Ne1

Hey, Kelly. I texted Lara about it yesterday. (Another amazing thing about her is that she responds to texts and emails promptly. I mean, she's in Iceland for goodness' sakes, and I texted her after I had an argument with my husband and she texted me back several times about how to handle the communication constructively. It's kind of unreal.) 

She'll want you to call her and talk to her about this stuff, since I can't really act as a go-between. HIPPA laws and all that.  I mean, she'll want to know your situation and needs, and you guys will have to figure out what works best for each of you. So text her your info next week and she'll call you when she has a minute to talk. 

Also, did you ask Dr. Jonas' office if they were referring to other doctors who are taking patients? It would be the normal routine when someone stops taking patients...

One last suggestion: I know for a fact that there are several doctors in NYC that treat patients with HDB (High Dose Baclofen). I have no idea how to find them, though. And I'm sure there are as many shrinks in NYC as there are people in my city...

I really wish we had better information and options for people. It is very high on my list of goals to get information about baclofen to doctors in order to get them to prescribe. But that ain't gonna happen overnight, or even in a year. But perhaps I'm just being pessimistic? I mean, Lara had never heard of baclofen before she met me, looked it up, read the info I gave her, and is now prescribing it. And she's not even an addiction specialist.

Anyway, good luck on all fronts and hang in there. Let us know how it goes.

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Irish lad

Hello

I too was conned by 'Dr' Phillip Thomas. He wanted me to send him 750 pounds for his 12 week programme. I told him the most I could afford was £100 (this was true). I transfered the money into his account by wire transfer. Up to this his communication has been frequent. When he received my money it went dark. Few replies to emails etc. No answer to calls. When I finally caught up with him after some weeks he claimed he had been in hospital for an eye operation. He actually made me feel guilty for losing the rag. At this point I was getting desperate. My drinking was really spiralling out of control. He knew this. He also knew I have six children and yet was still happy to con me from my money. After another round of no contact, I gave up on him. Last week he had the nerve to send me a linked in request to join my network. This is an indvidual with no morals who preys on the desperate. In any case I proceeded with the baclofen on my own with good/mixed results. I have a way to go. 

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Molly78

Welcome Irish Lad, & keepus posted on your progress. You're not "on your own " if you're posting on here. We are with you on your journey.

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Lostinspace

Welcome to the forum, Irish lad! I’m so sorry that happened to you. It’s absolutely sickening that someone would prey on desperate alcoholics like that, but even more so after you had told him you have six children to care for! I’m glad you’ve decided to go ahead with baclofen anyway. It can completely transform your life if you stick with it. Keep us posted on how you’re doing and, if you have any questions, ask away. This forum is a great resource.

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Baclofenman

@Irish lad

Top of the Morning to you

I did not have too much interest in Dr Phillip when I heard that his frauds were in the US - The red tape to file an investigation on foreign soil are tricky and usually fruitless

Now we have a report of fraud on the British Isles, my attention is drawn

Have you had NO communication from Dr Phillip?

Did you communicate via the @aol email that he has touted on various web sites?

Have you reported the matter to the Police or investigation authority?

 

@Lostinspace

Hi LIS, Yes - this is the typical modus operandi of this type of character - Reliant that the aggrieved will be too embarrassed or confused to follow up any action - WRONG 

 

Unfortunately for Dr Phill, Dr Phil, Dr Philip E Thomas, Dr Philip Edward Thomas, Dr Phillip Edward Thomas or Dr Phillip E Thomas, there is no where to hide

(excuse to repeated use of his name - It will expand the results in google)

Regards

 

Bacman

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Mentium

I wish I had noticed this thread sooner.

I would like to add my voice - the voice of experience - to reports about this dreadful individual. I found him on-line last year when I was researching baclofen. I emailed him and arranged to meet him a few weeks hence (I was about to go on holiday). He asked for a deposit and against my better judgment I sent him one. It was not a small amount either.

When I got back from my holiday I emailed him and got no reply. I emailed him separately on about a dozen occasions - after the first few in order to ask for my money back. I heard nothing and lost the money.

A few weeks ago I received a request to provide a rating for him for LinkedIn (or possibly one of those other professional web sites - can't remember off hand). The brazenness of that took my breath away.

Phill Thomas is a fraudster and a crook so please steer clear of him. Going back to the OP - rather late in the day I know - please don't let this nasty piece of work put you off buying medications on-line. If you take advice from people here - people with experience - you won't go wrong

 

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I only wish I had found some information before I went ahead . But I was impressed by the depth of his knowledge (which was apparent from his site) and the fact he had written books on the subject. The fact he was a former medical doctor (and an alcoholic) convinced me it was worth going against my better judgement and sending him the money.  Six weeks into his 'programme' I was still taking 30mg of Baclofen a day. My drinking was really starting to take off - drinking in the mornings etc. I couldnt get a reply from him despite me continually sending him what I was eating and drinking as per his instruction.

Before he got my money the emails were coming thick and fast. When it landed I got two in the next clatter of weeks - one of which was essentially ridiculing me for a question I asked him. I contacted him on Wattsapp and got the impression he didn't even know who I was. He 'started' me (again) on 20mg a day - that was a 10mg reduction despite the fact my drinking was worse than ever and it was halfway through his programme. I was due to send him another £100 at the halfway point - he agreed to forgive this (how very big of him) to 'get me sorted'. He said he believed that unlike many of his clients I was 'worthy' of his help (he actually said this!!). I began sending him the meal plans etc and again it went dark. After no replies I decided it was stressing me out too much and I would go it alone.

 

I started upping the dose and when I got to 80mg a day I noticed my will to drink was reduced. For the first time in years I could have beer in the fridge and not drink it. I was going three, four days without a drink which was really good for me. That said I was still getting pangs of wanting a drink so I kept upping the dose. As of last week my dosage was up to 160/180mg a day and yet, strangely, this had increased my will to drink. Due to running out of baclofen, I have started to ration it to 60mg a day until more arrives. And it has reduced my will to drink with it - which seems odd to me but there you go.

As for the unethical scumbag - the fact he wanted me to add him into my linkedin profile so he could likely con money from people in the same situation just about sums him up. I really feel we need to get his name until google so other desperate people don't fall victim to this charlatan. 

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Mentium

There are many negative reports concerning him on My Way Out forum too - that and this forum seem to be the main forums people in the English speaking world go to find out more about baclofen. So hopefully people will be warned off - at least some of them.

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Baclofenman

A quick perusal of Dr Thomas' LinkedIn page had me a-chuckling:

Linkedin said:

Being the only Consultant Surgeon in the UK who is also qualified in Law (with expertise in Medical Negligence), I was responsible for all the Group's litigation and risk-management.

 

 

But obviously he was not very good as the GMC thought otherwise 

 

GMC said:

Mr Smith: The Panel has considered, on the basis of the facts found proved, whether Mr Thomas’ fitness to practise is impaired by reason of his misconduct under Section 35C (2) (a) of the Medical Act 1983 (as amended). In doing so, it has taken account of all the evidence, as well as the submissions made by you on behalf of the GMC. You submitted that as all the allegations have been found proved Mr Thomas’ fitness to practice is impaired.

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I would go so far as to say that the rest of it is bollox

And, Yes - He takes information he has read and uses it as original material

Still, I have sent a communication to all of the places he claims to have worked at - Lets see what comes back......

Regards

 

Bacman

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