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  2. guardian

    Bac and SSRI

    This is for those that have taken baclofen (and found indifference) while also taking an SSRI. I'd like to know if the SSRI had any effect on your level of indifference. I've been indifferent for well over a year at this point. I recently tried going on zoloft because I'm still an asshole and I started having drinking thoughts within about a week. I'd like to know if this is true for all SSRIs. Zoloft and paxil are cited in the literature as causing the most spontaneous increases in alcohol consumption. I really need something to take my edges off. Thanks.
  3. Otter

    Help With Baclofen WDs, please!

    Baclofen takes the place of alcohol so stopping taking it is a really bad idea. You go into delerium tremens which can put you in hospital. Whoever put you on baclofen should have told you about this and overseen your dosage and treatment. You have to keep taking it and if you don’t get a result you have to go higher until you do because it works at different doses for different people. If you decide not to continue with it you have to come off it very slowly. You need to see whatever professional got you onto baclofen and get them to treat you properly. You should also see a lawyer because what you have described is rank negligence. There is enough information in the public domain that any doctor should be able to tell you the way to take baclofen and the risks of coming off it and the need for constant supervision of the daily dose Good luck Hope things work out.
  4. WilderWill

    Help With Baclofen WDs, please!

    Today I'm stuck in a parking lot feeling like I'm going to throw up, sweating profusely, and so much anxiety I can barely move. This had been an ongoing nightmare that doesnt end. I took 5mg of Baclofen in the morning about 10am, and 5 more mg around 4pm. I am feeling a tiny bit better, but fearing the next battle. I wish I had never taken this medication. I'm sure it may have its benefits, but right now all I see is hell.
  5. Otter

    What happened to interest in baclofen?

    Yes it’s a shame that there isn’t any data on how people have done on baclofen. I don’t know who the 12 Steppers were or how serious their problems were. I always felt that if someone was on a forum then they couldn’t be very seriously alcoholic. I mean, it’s embarrassing how horrible my wife’s condition was. I can’t describe it. Typically she would wake up in middle of the night having some kind of night terror, screaming like she was possessed by the devil. That would go on for half an hour and she would pass out and then wake up at 6 am and start screaming and shouting abuse. I’d have to get ready for work and get our son dressed make breakfast and feed and walk the dog. Then make sure she was ok to be left in bed for the day and wouldn’t leave the house for booze. Then I would go off to work as a prosecutor. I would phone at 10 to see if she was awake and I’d come home after picking our son up and hope she wasn’t hanging from a window screaming abuse at the neighbours. I would put our son somewhere safe and make dinner and then settle in for the night. She would sometimes get up and start a drunken rampage around the house shouting abuse maybe looking for more booze because she had run out. Sometimes it got so bad I’d hide somewhere just to get some peace. That was a good day when she didn’t throw a kitchen drawer through a closed window, set fire to the house, get arrested DUI or assault someone parking outside out house. She was picked up by the police wandering down the middle of roads, abandoned our son in a car and wandered off not remembering where she left him. She took a knife to herself more times than I could count and carved her name into her left forearm. She tried to kill herself by throwing herself out of the car on the highway at 70 mph on a routine basis. That is just what I can remember but it went on for ten years. But the answer was that she had brain damag. She has a big black spot on her brain scans right where Ameisen said the anxiety disorder underlying alcoholism stems from and the fact that she benefitted immediately from he first baclofen pill was some kind of miracle The thing is that alcohol damages this part of the brain in everyone eventually but she had a stroke so it was worse. The hardest part of the recovery was coping with no help from anyone and the attitude of people made it even worse. Work colleagues knew about it and asked how I could cope. I guess I was younger and I had no choice but I would say that it could be worse Who wasn’t to complain when people had survived concentration camps and Gulags. Today she went out shopping with her daughter just like an ordinary mum. So, yes there is a cure for alcoholism.
  6. Hello Hoping for some help from a desperate alcoholic and addict! I was recently in a treatment center for alcohol and drugs (was successfully detoxed off of Xanax), and they put me on Baclofen, 10mg 3x day for the benzo Wds. I really didnt think anything of it, as I had no knowledge of Baclofen except that it was a .muscle relaxer. After being on the 30mg for about 6 weeks, I stopped taking it, again, not thinking too much of it. That night I was hit with the most crippling ANXIETY I have ever had!!! Even worse than benzo wds anxiety!! And that's BAD! I also felt really out of it, couldn't sleep, and crazy racing thoughts! Immediately I knew it was Baclofen as that had been the only thing that changed. I went back on to 20mg/day for about a week, then back to 30mg/day. I've been on it for a total of about 8 weeks now. Last night I didnt take my nighttime dose, took a dose this morning, then went out of the house and didnt take any of my daytime doses. I got the WORST withdrawals again!! This time they came with a rapid heart rate and palpitations!! I am so scared now that all my hard work getting clean will be derailed by baclofen. I have 14 10mg pills left and I want off!! The only think that scares me after reading this forum a little, is what if the great feeling I've had since quitting xanax and alcohol have not been bc I am clean but bc of the baclofen? I hadn't realized ppl use it for long term anxiety and that is one of my biggest issues. What if I get off the baclofen (if I can get off) and feel terrible all the time? I'm very worried. My plan is to break all the 10mg pills in half, giving me 28 5 mg doses. I will take 3/day, 15mg, for the first 5 days (15 doses), then 2/day, 10mg, for 5 days (10 doses), then 1 day, 5mg, for 3 days (3 doses for a total of 28 doses). Does that sound like a reasonable plan? Should I go into even smaller doses? Baclofen is very strong even 5mg it has noticeable effects for me. I never knew the nightmare I was setting myself up for. I need help please, I know this forum seems dead but if anyone is around pls help me, I'm really messed up over this and I dont know what to do. Thank you, Thank you. Please help me. Ps. I also have a large supply of Gabapentin, can this help alleviate the Baclofen wds? I think they work on the same receptor so I'm thinking possibly they can help. Thanks!
  7. guardian

    What happened to interest in baclofen?

    Hi Otter, I recognize you from WAY back. Wonderful to hear that you are doing so well. Your explanation makes a lot of sense and assuages a lot of my cynicism. I am a true alcoholic (I believe). However, most of the older men in my family were very hard drinkers; Harder women, harder times, and old age made them moderate drinkers eventually. I'm probably a bit more of a lazy drama queen than those iron bastards, and I also didn't want to "figure it out" after screwing my kids up. I already destroyed a perfectly good marriage. It's unfortunate that the 12Sers are so territorial because that's where you find the true gutter drunks - The guys who have been institutionalized or lived long stretches in half-way houses. Those are the people where baclofen could really shine. And I, like Amneisen, have found a lot of relief in AA. I'm not as low-bottom as the average AA. But, I'm a person who even after curtailing my alcoholism with bac still needed some sort of program or framework to help me to be a good person. I'm glad that you responded to this. It sounds like you struggled a bit to "carry the message" to an unwilling audience. I was ruminating over the same sense of responsibility. I think I may just need to be grateful that I found it and it saved my life - because for me, drinking was only getting worse.
  8. Otter

    What happened to interest in baclofen?

    I think that interest in the forum has declined because now any doctor dealing with alcoholism knows about baclofen. The issue I had from day one on MWO is that we should not have to be giving out advice because we aren’t doctors. MWO is mainly for 12 Steppers who never accepted baclofen treatment. Nal is now approved for use in a lot of countries. Also, the success of baclofen for us has meant that we can lead a normal life now so there’s no need to come here. I can’t come here and try to help people because I am not qualified. I am not an alcoholic and never was. But I take baclofen because I came to understand that it is the key to dealing with anxiety because of the neuro-receptors it works on. I take it most days and it makes me feel great because I feel normal without stress. But how do you tell people about a drug which makes you feel like life is just fine? Most people who turn to drugs want a buzz or to relieve pain. I take baclofen because I get anxious and I worry about lots of things and end up just sitting around all day stewing about things. With 10 mg of baclofen my worries go away. It’s not treating depression or maybe anxiety leads to depression. I think a lot of members are in the same situation as us in that they are recovered and have moved on. I have other sites I still work on and a legal paper I try to keep up to date because the law changes. It’s been picked up by some lawyers and doctors and out on a couple of sites. The movement has stalled because the direction needs to move from getting the drug into the public arena to other issues such as how a cure for the disease for some should impact on other problems the disease has caused and that is still hard because the public still have an antipathy towards alcoholics. I started doing some YouTube videos a few weeks ago as well but I am pretty crap at it. Getting out from underneath a family alcohol problem is also a great relief and allows you to get busy on other things and not spend your life mired in despair you want to forget and move on When you do you don’t want to be dragged back down again by rehashing bad memories The other issue I have is that there is so much argument about the success of baclofen and it just gets to me having to explain how and why it works and being called names and picked apart
  9. Title says it. MWO and this site have virtually no traffic in the meds forum, and that is mostly naltrexone related. Is it due to many people just wanting a magic pill or quick fix? I personally needed to dose up to 400mgs at one point to reach indifference. It was neither quick nor easy. I was also faced with the choice of suicide, alcoholic annihilation, or baclofen. So, maybe hard to compare my needs to someone who perhaps has a bit too much wine too early.
  10. Felina

    EMDR

    That's fantastic, @Alcofree! Congrats on your newfound freedom!
  11. Alcofree

    EMDR

    Hello all! I'd like to thank all of you who helped me during my struggles! To cut a very long story short: I managed to get Naltrexone on prescription and it worked really well for me. And I had EMDR for my PTSD and ... haven't craved booze ever since. I've believed the theory that there is always a trauma ( big, small, recent, from childhood etc) as a root of any addiction (literally any- OCD, booze, fags, food etc.) So if anyone is still really struggling- look into getting EMDR. I swear by it! Good luck and warm wishes.
  12. Felina

    baclofen SE's

    Hi @stillhoping - I agree with Otter, if your SEs are tough you might want to either stay at the same dosage until they subside, or drop down just a bit. That said, when I was titrating up on baclofen I found that some SEs hit me at certain doses and then went away when I bumped up. Mine were all over the place with crazy dreams, periods of euphoria (I wish I still had that one!), nausea, dizziness, somnolence etc.
  13. Otter

    baclofen SE's

    I am no doctor but the response to that according to the Prescribing Guidelines put out by Dr de Beaurepaire is that if you are uncomfortable with the side effects then taper back to where you felt comfortable and stay at that dose for longer before increasing the dose again and just keep doing that until you are able to take the higher dose. The same goes for the tiredness. Somnolence is an SE so you might want to reduce even further. The agitation at night may be because the baclofen has worn off. You need to take evenly divided doses through the day and even through the night.
  14. stillhoping

    baclofen SE's

    Hi everyone, hope you are doing well. I have a question about some of the Se's with baclofen. I am now up to 110 mg/day, but am really tired in the morning and hyper before I go to bed. In general, I have very little energy during the dy. Am I taking too much? It does 't seem like the SE's are a whole lot different than when I was at 90 mg/day - do I just need to give myself longer to adjust to the new dosage? Seems to take me about 2 weeks before I adjust,
  15. man I'm so sorry for your struggles, and at such a young age. it's good you caught this f**king sickness early, but also that terrible anyone has to fight so long, you know? I've never tried naltrexone, so I can't offer any help there. I wonder about cravings, also, like what do we mean when we say craving? I was recently sober 3 years, and I don't know how I did it, I just did it, and then suddenly I went out and got a drink. From there, well, it's like inviting the devil back into the house. what had long settled into a kinda flat depression has now again become a struggle, a daily, f**king hourly struggle, and on a Sunday I'm drinking a beer an hour for no other reason than.. than... you know how it is, there's no reason for it. All I can say is hold tight, hold on for as long as you can and life is maybe less exciting and flatter and grayer without booze but it is, can be, better. There's not much to look forward to but look around and think about everything around you in the moment, and that can smell sweeter than any stupid future we can imagine. sorry, I wouldn't be so vague and maudlin if I hadn't also been drinking today.
  16. Otter

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    I've taken baclofen as has my wife. She found it started to give a good result at about 80 mg per day. Initially she was drinking about a litre of vodka a day starting at 7 am but when the baclofen kicked in she was able to stop completely. We got into problems with it when I suggested she go up to 270mg a day in three divided doses as per Ameisen's regime and that caused her serious side effects. I can't remember what they were but it made her not want to take it at all, which led to a catastrophic relaps, hosptial etc etc. A total meltdown. Just go easy with it. After several years she added Acamprosate/Campral and that has had an even more marked effect because she has no relapses and doesn't have any other psychological issues at all. The main side effect we both noticed was somnolence. At night my breathing would slow to the point that I felt I would stop breating. It's a muscle relaxant after all. It's scary but eventualy you do breathe. It also affected my thinking in that I would pause in conversation a lot which I think made people think I had been drinking. I appeared drugged or drunk, which is not great if you are working with the public. lol We are ten years on now and it is a game changer. You have to embrace it and take the good with the bad and keep fighting. It's not a drug to be sneezed at. I've come to respect it because its as though you are fighting with it to get what you want and it fights you back. At the time it was scary but now I can take a couple of pills when I get a bit stressed and it has no side effects at all. My wife has gone down to 20 mg at night and in the morning. I don't think she would relapse if she didn't take it but why tempt fate. We went to Burns night and we were the only people who were stone cold sober at the end.
  17. Hi I'm a 23 year old male, who has been struglling with alcoholism since i was 18. In the fall of 2018 I went to rehab for 2 months in patient, then 3 months IOP. I had been charged with a dui at 19 and finally convicted at 21. While on probation, I was arrested for public intoxication after an altercation with my father, and my lawyer suggested i go to rehab just in case my probation officer finds out, and obviously because i really needed the help. After treatment i lived with my grandparents up until 4 days ago. During that time i had "slipped up" about ten times, all spaced out by months in little spurts of drinking. For example I'd get a very strong urge to drink after being totally abstinent for 3 months, and would drink 2-3 in a week, then go back to total abstinence. anyways, after living with my grandparents for over a year, I made plans with my father to move back with him temporarily, until i can get set up in an apartment. My grandparents thought this could be beneficial, but insisted that i have a 30 day naltrexone shot before i leave, and I was totally on board with this, being aware of my impulsiveness. I got the shot 7 days ago, and It's basically been unnoticeable. Living at my grandparents, I had no car, and the nearest gas station was an hour walk (which was hard to pull off undetected). This coupled with my grandparents serious opposition towards drugs( "we catch you and youre out,") was enoguh to keep me from drinking 9 times out of 10. Now that i'm back in Georgia, It's been 3 days of the strongest cravings I've ever had. The naltrexone isn't standing in the way, and honestly I didnt have much faith that anything would. My dad left tonight, so I'm home alone. It's probably 30 degrees out tonight, but i biked 15 minutes to the gas station to get booze. This time I bought 10 servings... usually 12-14. I don't know where i was going with this. Honestly I was reading about naltrexone, and I'm wondering if the craving will pass. I've downed 3 so far, and i"m buzzed, unusually nauseous, less CRAVING the next drink, but I'm also totally wanting to down the rest and get drunk more so then ever since i entered rehab for the second time over a year ago. what will it be like from here????? Sorry if im incoherent. I'm upset and intoxicated because i drank quickly on an empty stomach. I feel manic but imprecise
  18. Pamela Parker

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Take baclofen exactly as prescribed by your doctor. If you increase the dosages probable side effects - Blurred or double vision Bloody or dark urine chest pain fainting hallucinations mental depression or other mood change Some medicine works slow on addicted person though you are not addicted. If it doesn't works as per your exceptions, you may consult to change the medicine or the dosages. You can get few idea from this drugs.com/sfx/baclofen-side-effects.html What type of benzoes did you take? Lorazepam is among the most potent benzodiazepines available. Since it is a very strong drug, the potential of becoming addicted to it is also greater than other benzos. Just like other Benzos, lorazepam is habit forming when used for long periods of time. Even people who take it for therapeutic purpose may end up developing physical and psychological dependence. Felina gave a very good information on your problem. It helps others also. If we discuss more on these, the form will be enrich with information and helps people. You can get some information form here also - addictionrehabcenters.com/drug-addiction/warning-signs-symptoms-side-effects-ativan-abuse/
  19. Hello, I am trying to find a doctor in Sydney to prescribe me baclofen. I've been knocked back by 2 gps so far. Dr Amanda Stafford gave me the name of Dr mark hardy however I can't get an appointment with him till March. I'm really hoping to get help sooner. So, fellow sydney sider's. Can you help? I'm also happy to do a telemedicine conference call type thing. I really want to quit alcohol, I hate that they make it so hard Thanks Lach
  20. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    I'm 36 hours in and I'm feeling pretty strange already! But I've given myself some time out and I'm feeling kind of like I'm going through something big here! The start of an interesting journey. Thanks so much for your support!
  21. Felina

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    OMG that's great news! Congratulations! Please keep us posted on how your progress goes. I found my baclofen titration to be a strange journey, sometimes uncomfortable but ultimately life-changing.
  22. Marnie Hart

    Desperate to start Baclofen!

    Hi, I saw my GP this morning and he looked at the thesis I'd put together on treating Alcohol dependence with Baclofen and gave me a script straight away! So pleased!!!! I've started treatment already, Thanks so much for your advice and info Felina!
  23. Discodez

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    @Felina wow his post is pretty great. I decided to chill a little bit after reading it, and also after I got some of the bad side effects. Severe facial swelling, double vision to the point of being afraid to get out of bed, those were the two big ones. Also a couple little waves of nausea but I didn't puke. Edit on the nerve pain: I think I was complaining about back and neck pain at the time (still there even with baclofen), but that was before I had it all over my body. Which is a classic symptom of benzo withdrawal. Thank you for your response!
  24. Felina

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Hi @Discodez, The side effects from taking too much baclofen can range from nausea, dizziness, severe anxiety, somnolence, and vision disturbances to much more severe ones. If you read @terryk's baclofen story here, he presented a pretty harrowing account: "Post "switch," my indifference has been effortless. My titration, however, was *definitely* not. I had very, very severe side-effects and wound up restrained in the ER and hospitalized for 5 days when I tried to increase my dose too high, too soon, and started drinking *A LOT.* Increasing 20mg/week was too rapid for me and I settled closer to 10mg/week, and even then, day 2 after the increase was always a doozy, with intense hallucinations and shocks to my hands/fingers. All in all, it took 7 months of slow, steady titration for me to find indifference @280mg/day." I've been on these forums (and on baclofen) for almost 10 years. The problem with going up in dosage too fast, as you can see in Terry's account above, is that people often don't get hit with the full force of the side effects for a couple of days after an increase. So people who titrate up extremely fast can get hit with a tidal wave of horrible effects that can completely derail their experience. I can't emphasize enough that slow, steady titration will give you the best chance of success. I personally upped my dose by 20 mgs/week, although French doctors recommend something around 10 mgs every 4 days. I would always get hit with a wave of nausea and dizziness a couple of days afterwards. I can't tell you how long you should expect to be on it. Some people taper off after a couple of years. I've been on baclofen for many years and am afraid to taper down too much. I'm currently taking 100 mgs/day. I've never heard of baclofen being used to treat nerve pain. I know that a lot of people combine baclofen with Gabapentin, which is another GABA-B agonist and does help with nerve pain. Besides titrating up too fast, the other big issue that can derail people on baclofen is that they try to continue drinking "moderately" and end up "drinking through their switch." If you are able to abstain, your titration up will be much, much easier. Baclofen pairs very well with antabuse. Here is an older (but still relevant) collection of success stories from our sister forum. There is a lot of great wisdom in those posts.
  25. Discodez

    Benzos, booze, and now baclofen.

    Hello everyone, First time here! I’m 34. Had been taking benzos on and off since since my early 20s. About 3 years ago, I started day drinking as well as night drinking, and using Xanax in the morning for the hangover and withdrawal. Bad idea, don’t ever do it lol. This year, my alcohol use landed me in the hospital 3 times, one was twice in one day. I couldn’t stop throwing up, so unable to keep enough alcohol in me to not seize. I was told I had given myself gastritis, given more benzos, then continued to take Xanax .05 a day for the entire 30 days. After that, I knew I couldn’t just stop. So then came the tapering, then the drinking again. Today, I am 4 months clean off any benzos, and I have had every symptom in the book in that time. The worst being nerve pain, which is sometimes just numbness, that’s easier to handle than just pain. Drinking increases the pain, so I’m actively committed to quitting. Enter baclofen! I asked my doctor for it after she tried to give it to me once and I declined. I started at 5 mgs a day for a few days, and am now at 50 mgs. I am worried that I increased a little too fast, but I’m getting desperate to stop the booze. I can honestly say that I don’t have as much desire for it, but I also know the dangers of just quitting that. So while ramping up the Baclofen, slowly decreasing the alcohol, and doing it all while suffering horrible side effects of benzo WD, well, it’s been real fun! My questions are: what are the side effects of taking too much baclofen to quickly? How long can I expect to be on it for, and how gnarly are the side effects of coming off? Why isn’t it helping with the nerve pain when I was told it would? Any other advice or success stories are welcomed and appreciated!
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