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Baclofen Indifference and other addictive behaviors


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Hi All,

   Not sure if this topic is worthy of a new thread but I thought I'd give it a shot. As most of you know I hit indifference at 310mgs of Baclofen per day. I generally have no urge to drink and when I do drink I can do so reasonably and stop whenever I want. These are SUPER POWERS that others have and I could never grasp.

I'm starting this thread because I've noticed that Baclofen has also affected other addictions in my life and I wanted to see if anyone else noticed this as well.

Prior to becoming indifferent I was a huge PS4 gamer. I never played online because I hated talking to people so I would play role playing games like The Witcher 3, Mass Effect and Grand Theft Auto. I played these games for the story and the thrill of getting the next best piece of equipment or reaching the next cut-scene to see where the story was going. I would say that I played roughly 20 hours per week. My wife would go to bed at 10pm and I would play until 1 or 2am during the week. On the weekends I would lock myself in my man cave and sometimes stay up all night. I was truly addicted. Since become indifferent to alcohol this has gone completely away. I no longer feel and "need" to play video games. Some really great games have been released over the last four months and I just have zero interest in playing them. I've actually tried to play them but I only get about 30 minutes in and I get totally bored.

Also prior to Baclofen I loved to binge watch television series on Netflix with my wife. We would watch 2-3 episodes of a show a night until we finished an entire season. If I remember correctly we watched all 7 seasons of Lost in about a month. It was insane! Since becoming indifferent I  really have no interest in binge watching at all. My wife have started 2 or 3 series and we get bored after the 2nd or 3rd episode. Don't get me wrong, we still watch TV together when the kids go to bed but I find us switching shows every night and watching things that I've never even had interest in like documentaries and and true crime shows.

Honestly I don't know if Baclofen had anything to do with these changes but I do know these changes happened as I titrated up on Baclofen. Has anyone else noticed changes like this or other addictions in your life go away through Baclofen? I'm starting to believe that Baclofen can be used for any number of disorders across the medical spectrum. Hell I don't know, maybe I'm reading to much into this but I would love your thoughts. 

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I had a similar experience the first time I titrated up on baclofen, @Jetsman32. I stopped watching television. I stopped obsessively trying to escape, in general. (For me it's reading, even more than TV.) There were other things, too. It might be what AAers call the pink cloud; a time of euphoria in new sobriety that doesn't last. I have never experienced anything like what I experienced when I got sober with baclofen. 

A lot has been written about this on My Way Out. One person posted that he stopped watching porn all the time. Alas, I don't think that thread is there anymore. But it's not an unheard of experience, by any stretch. 

I also cleaned house. Literally and figuratively. I emptied bookcases and organized my kitchen. Cleaned out closets and storage areas. I put up shelves and made our space cohesive. I got rid of all of my self-help books. (Which I came to regret and have since reordered many of them.) I wrote non-stop. My Way Out, and the people on it, were an obsession. 

My husband was still drinking alcoholically during that time. He was resistant to baclofen and unwilling to try to stop drinking. I was actively planning on divorce, though devastated at the thought. I'll never forget the night he approached me and told me he wanted to talk. I had my earbuds in, listening to music took on new meaning in my life during that time, too. So I had my earbuds in, I was on a step-stool organizing the shelves in the upper kitchen cabinets, when he told me he wanted to talk. We met in the living room, he had a beer, I was drinking soda water. He told me he wanted to try baclofen, not because I'd quit drinking, but because I was so happy about it.  

I thought baclofen was a panacea. It took a long while for me to be disabused of the notion. Truth is, not a lot of people find baclofen the solution I experienced. And even more found new sobriety profoundly uncomfortable and untenable. It's sad. I wish I could gift everyone, even myself, with how I felt in those early, heady days of new sobriety. Hold on to it! Don't take it for granted! It's too much fun to take for granted.

I'm working on getting back there this time. This time, baclofen isn't the whole answer for contented sobriety that it was for me the last time. It's a big part of it, but not a panacea. 

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Ditto for me on the binge watching.  One other thing I noticed is that I use to LOVE pain meds like Percocet.  I could see how people got addicted.  It was euphoric, like all was right with the world.  I had a procedure recently and they gave me a script.  They do nothing for me anymore.  I guess that is good and bad :) 

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Like Mom, I was very fond of OTC meds with codeine in, the more the better.  Now I'm not really interested.  The euphoria is gone, as with alcohol.  More good than bad - addiction to OTC meds in the UK is a rising problem, I can understand why.

I tend to watch more TV now - when drinking, I always fell asleep 10 mins after the start of a film & woke up with the final credits rolling (what is it about the final credits that always woke me up??)  I have re watched some films I thought I had seen & found they were all new to me.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37992809

Just after I posted the above I went to the BBC news site, which I have been visiting quite often since your election (I have children & grandchildren so the fate of the civilised world is of more than average interest to me).  I found this, & sat through the video clips with increasing concern.  Probably the same sort of thing is happening in the UK.  How amazing that you can buy heroin cheaper than you can buy Percocet or whatever the equivalent OTC meds are.  Just to clarify - OTC is "over the counter" - what you can buy from your local pharmacy.  I don't think you can buy Percocet at your local pharmacy, but I'm fairly sure you can buy it online - & @Jetsman32 was this one of the meds you were prescribed for pain?

These guys are addicts in the same way we are alcoholics.  Cost of rehab is mentioned - & the fact that as soon as they get out they use again.

Surely bac has a role in helping them?  Maybe this discussion is outside of the remit of this website, I don't know.

Comments?

(I have to post this before I can check that the link works)

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@Molly78Heroin addiction  is HUGE here.  The surgeon general just released a report urging the medical community to start paying more attention, its killing lots of people.  My kids all know of people, young people in their  teens and 20s who have overdosed and died.  In all the treatment programs I was in last year, half the patients are heroin/opiate addicts, some are cross addicted to alcohol.  It scares me to death because I have teenagers and this has just started to hit a little closer to home.  

I think the University of Pennsylvania is doing a study, or did a study on baclofen and cocaine and the results were positive. 

@Jetsman32 So far no I haven"t noticed any bad habits disappearing but I did notice that with naltrexone and The Sinclair Method.  I loved smoking pot but after a few months on TSM, I could take it or leave it.  I didn't even think about it.  I"ve since started again but that's a different story.  And @Ne1god I wish I felt like cleaning out my closets, etc.  It's like I want to to it but it seems so overwhelming.  Doing things in small steps helps, though

 

 

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http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/04/childress/

Found it.  But that was 2014 & no follow up studies?  Elsewhere there was a mention of bac & PTSD (on @BarrelChested's thread?), again no follow up studies though the initial trials seemed to show it was effective.  I think it's the old problem of bac being a generic ie off patent, so no drug companies want to finance the trials.  What a shame.  So many addicts out there needing help. 

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Thank you all for posting- I honestly though that this was a stupid topic to bring up! It seems like Baclofen definitely helps with other addictive behaviors! @Ne1 I hadn't really thought about it but I also am not as into reading as I once was. I usually tear into Stephen King books but I've been working on the Dead Zone for almost 2 months now and really have no interest in reading it.

@Molly78 @Alice22 The pain medication my Surgeon gave me is Vicodin and Tramadol. You are right though, even when the pain was the worst and I was taking more I never experienced any euphoria- it just made me fall asleep. You could not be more right about the heroin epidemic here in the states. A drug dealer might sell one Percocent for $8-$10 but you can buy a bag of heroin for $20. Lately their have been tons of pictures/videos of people just passed out in their cars having OD'd on heroin. It's just crazy to think about. Another big problem here is Meth. All over our country mini meth labs are popping up. The funny thing about Meth is you can make it at home in your garage with minimal equipment. With that though there are a lot of explosions and people dying. Another drug here that is catching on is called "Pink". Pink is known to be twice as strong as Heroin and generally is imported from China. Our government actually just labeled it as a bad substance. Apparently people were dying all over the pace from over-dosing. A heroin addict would get it and think they could take the same amount of that as they took of regular heroin and they would overdose and die. Big problem here. @Alice22 admittedly, I am also a fan of pot. I haven't smoked in 2 months but for awhile I was using it every other night for a while. This was pre-surgery.  My wife and I would wait until the kids went to bed and then just veg on the couch and watch movies. I also found that it really helped with my back pain which made me want it even more. Also kind of weird, I never liked smoking it- I would get severe anxiety. However, we bought a vaporizer and I found the high to be much more in the body and relaxing. At this point though we have both sworn off pot for awhile. This is mostly because of our diet though. We both get the worst munchies in the world and we don't want to sabotage our weight loss! Pot also has many medical uses but most of our states won't go near it. i watched a video the other day of a man that was given cannabis oil to treat his Parkinsons. Within 20 minutes of taking it his nerves were totally calmed and his spasms ceased completely. The fact is you don't have to smoke pot to get the benefits. You can take cannabis oil or THC pills that have the same effect without the high. The problem here is that many people fake injuries to justify smoking pot but really all they want to do is get high.

I have heard of studies on Baclfen to treat cocaine that were very successful. However, as was mentioned, it is a generic drug and no pharma company wants to invest in new studies because they can't make any money off of it. It also bothers me that so few doctors that claim to be experts in addiction are not aware of Baclofen at all. What a shame!

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I second @Ne1's literal cleaning house. When I got to 150mg/day the first time I opened all the blinds in my apartment and washed the damned windows. It was unreal - I hate sunlight, usually. But I think that might have been the last time these windows have been cleaned, which was years and years ago. Christ, how do I live like this. As for other stuff, it was a mixed bag. I had a pretty anxious time of things above 180, and porn seemed to help the anxiety so that probably increased, actually. I still watch a lot of TV but for the moment have not gamed at all. No interest in it.

Helps that the girl took the Xbox One and left me with just my old 360 and no games. Since we originally split the cost she's been offering to give me half the money, so I can go get a new one, but so far I haven't taken her up on it. Shit, she's broke. I've been offering to give her money instead. Anyway, but if you don't want to play Mafia 3 then I don't even know you. The trailers are so, so badass. I would love to get lost in a world of 1968 New Orleans right now.

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Hey Stuck- their are some great games for the Xbox 360! I thought you ordered Red Dead Redemption? That is probobly the single best game ever made for that system.

I'm not so into Mafia 3. It looked great- the setting, tone it all looked brilliant. However I read the reviews and they are not kind. They said it's very repetitive in terms of goals and objectives and get's boring fast. I'm still intrigued by the story though. A half white/half african American dealing with the Italian mob in the 1960's- sign me up! Like I said though, the reviews are pretty bad. I always count on IGN for my reviews and they have never steered me wrong.

Here is their review:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/11/mafia-3-review

I'm actually starting to get more into games again. I just finished my first game in forever. It's called Everybody's Gone to the Rapture. Their is no fighting at all. Basically you just walk around an English town where everybody has vanished and put together clues by listening to old recordings and viewing orbs of light that represent past conversations. It only took 6 hours to beat but I was intrigued from start to finish.

The one game out right now that looks great for me is Watchdogs 2. They are comparing it to GTA 5 (which I loved) but with more hacking and stealth missions. Again, though- it's a 30 hour+ game and I'm not ready to commit to that! I just downloaded one of my favorite Original Playstation 2 games, Bully on my PS4. That game is simply incredible. It's also made by Rockstart that developed GTA and Red Dead Redemption. They actually have a 360 version that is remastered. You should definitely check it out!

 

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Was going to post a couple links but you can just google. You sound like you like interesting/indie games. 

This one is quick and fun and has amazing music: Every Day the Same Dream

And I think this one is still free to download, and it's awesome: Papers, Please

 

i still need to get started on Red Dead

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I want an xbox just so I can stay on top of technology. Last time I tried to play some sports game with my nephews was humbling. I'd crush them in Galaga, though. ;) 

I don't want to be one of those old people who still uses the equivalent of AOL dial up. Can't think of a better way to do it than to play video games. Ed put the kibosh on that, though. I understand. Way, way back in the day when I played video games, I was consumed. (Surprise!) 

I haven't had the same experience with wanting to clean all the things this time, but it is getting taken care of in small bursts. Clean sheets are dreamy. Same with the kitchen--all shelves and cabinets organized for the first time since we moved in 3 years ago. Still have to manually clean the couch because dog. Clean windows make me happy. Still have many more of those to go. 

Still compulsively reading, too, which gets in the way of a lot of things. But at least I can see tangible improvement when I look around.  

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