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Otter

Thanks for the kind advice.  

 

This baclofen trip really is an up and down thing. When we arrived here in Cyprus we didn't know anyone so it was nice to be starting afresh and we just thought we could live off savings.  What happens, though, is you start to live a life like you do back home and spend a lot of money so I started thinking about how to earn a living and got involved in a lot of activities to see if I could get into some kind of work.  Networking...  The problem here is that we are in a country with a population of only a quarter of a million people, if that, so the jobs are scarce and you do need to speak Turkish.  I think I was going through the motions  because I just could not push myself and can't even contemplate spending any time in an office.  There is a lot of illegal activity here with casinos, brothels, medical treatments like IVF and abortions which are done in ways which are illegal elsewhere.  Some of this generates huge incomes.  My wife's daughter is involved in this and is now very well off with two kids, big house, cars etc.   It's all too mercenary for me, though.

 

In the end, I latched on to something, doing some legal work which has made me enough in one year to last me until I retire, and we have our house here paid for plus money in the bank so now we are pretty much sorted and I don't have that long to go before I get a UK state pension.   It's funny because I worked for the government in the UK and I have made more here than in the last few years I was in Scotland.  Things have pretty much worked out in that sense and that may be why I have just given up worrying about anything.  I do need to be occupied and I feel a need to "contribute".  I think that's what drove me to write my paper and to go to Paris.  It made me feel worthwhile and that I wasn't just a piece of driftwood washed up on some beach in the Med.  I have some projects but I cannot seem to get past first base on anything.  I am working on a website for a tourism business here.  I have the site but can't get around to doing any SEO or sorting any of the logistic of the business out and I tend to spend a lot of time watching late night TV comedy when I could be doing something contructive.  I never really accomplished much as a professional.  I had my own practice but never made a huge income out of it and shut it down 12 years ago.

 

Anyway, I digress.  I think the gist of this is that we got back into a fairly active life and now it's like being back in the UK with the same people here as over there, in terms of family, and with the same stresses and strains of coping with life.  That seems to have caused a sustained and worrying return to drink for my wife.  She seems to want to stock up on booze and plant it all round the house.  Now she is drinking heavily a couple of times a week and it's turning into a situation where she is having several drinking days in a row.  I've really lost track of what is going on with her. She said today that everything, ie., the baclofen worked, but that she was just forgetting to take it.

 

My thinking is that this regime of taking it every several hours of every day is utterly exhausting, particularly when we had to get it on prescription, and with all the crap going on around us.  Now, the lure of sunny days and just sitting in the sun seems to have a similar effect in causing her to forget to take the pills.   

I do think there is a need for a time released pill or arbaclofen which I think should stay in the system longer.   I just don't know what to do and it is frustrating because we lose days and days to this nonsense.  I get very angry about the whole situation.  When she is well, she gets very active and has to run the household and I'm afraid to say anything, not wanting to cause an argument so I just go with the flow.  It is impossible in the long term because she has so many issues with the stroke and the anxiety that she just manages to do some day to day things like cook a few meals, do the laundry and that exhausts her and after  few days of that she collapses.  It is a case of my being a carer for someone with a debilitating set of neurological/psychological conditions.  

I'm ok, generally, but I have been having coughing fits and passing out recently.   I was driving home and passed out while driving.  I came to as the car was veering towards oncoming traffic and I managed to pull on the steering wheel.  I clipped the wing mirror of a car coming in the opposite direction.  I was so groggy I felt drugged.  The other car just drove on and so did I.  A few days later it happened again in the same place but my wife made me pull off the road.  I begin coughing, can't breathe, and then pass out.  It happened at home a few days later.  It's a common condition but it's pretty freaky as you know you are passing out, can't breathe and just watch as everything fades away.

My son just got home from a cinema where they have wifi and a restaurant.  He spent the day with some friends playing the computer game and card games so at least he is coping fairly well.  When he was young, I had to keep him isolated from his mother when she was ill so I took to putting him in a room with a TV.   I blame myself for allowing this to happen because he didn't have much interaction with us as a family. We almost never eat at a the table and we all sit watching TV or something on laptops. What a life, eh?  Maybe everyone is the same, tuning into whatever horror story is going on in the media or watching whatever one wants on the internet.   I don't know.  I think I preferred the sixties when there were only a couple of TV channels  that started up at about 10 am and shut off at midnight.  Bring back Gilligans Island!!

 

 

 

 

 

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Otter

I've just pulled six empty bottles of vodka out of our bedroom, and one nearly full.  Hmmm....

I'm not sure where this is going.  

One of the problems we had in our last house in the UK was that we had to have a lot of renovations done so we had workers in and out all the time.  Then, the house next door, ie., the other half of our semi/duplex was renovated and we had a very thin dividing wall.  I mean, so thin you could hear the neighbours whispering.  The noise from the renovations went on for a couple of years because the owner worked in the oil industry in Algeria and came home for six week stretches when he would do his renovations.  They then sold the house and the new owner ripped out all the renovations and rebuilt the house, doubling it's size.  That went on for several months.  When they moved in we discovered the husband had a drink problem and shouted and swore all the time. They moved on and sold the house to a family with three small children and the place was like a kiddy playground. The husband worked away and the mum couldn't keep the roof on so the noise was unbearable. This is what broke the camel's back because my wife shouted at them through the wall to shut up and the woman called the police.  That was essentially the problem we had and it just never got better.

 At the same time the people across the road renovated their house by building a big extension right in front of our bedroom window.   All the noise had an effect as my wife seems to suffer from noise sensitivity.  While all this was going on, our neighbour on the other side put in a planning application to knock down his garage and build a big garage on our property line so he could do auto-mechanics.  He had compressors and worked on an ex-military type vehicle, like a Humvee, which was restoring, plus a few other cars etc.  It was bedlam some days and he worked into the late night almost every day.  I put in an objection because it was elevated on that side so he would be running a business looking into our back garden.  Shortly after that he just upped and disappeared.  Seems he was in his garage all the time because his marriage was on the rocks so he walked out on his wife and kids and then the house was sold to some people who moved in and...renovated the house. So we had another year of renovations to endure.  The new couple finished the renovations, did a very nice job, and then one morning there was an ambulance outside and they carted the husband out after he had a heart attack.  A year later the wife died of cancer.  After that, we moved. lol

Here, we have an ecohouse being built next door so I put up a fence but the storms in December blew them down so I hired a landscaper to put in a hedge and new patios at the back.  At the same time, the plot behind us had six houses built and a row of shops so we have had, at some times, nearly fifteen workers and their equipment all round the house and the invasion of privacy has been very distressing.  It's getting a bit quieter now but there's still a lot of work to be done.  We also have five dogs who bark at anything, all the time day and night.

 

I wonder why there is the noise sensitivity?  I hate noise myself but I don't react to it.  

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Alice22

God, @Otterso much going on - I'm amazed at how well you cope.  Yeah, taking the pills can be exhausting in the beginning but now I use a pill organizer and make sure I never miss dose.  Not to be too harsh but your wife needs to take responsibility for her health/recovery and take the pills if that's what works.  Sounds so stressful for you.  

Glad your son got out with friends.  Mine too. Beautiful weather here so took him to a friend's house yesterday where he played basketball and today he has a party/sleepover  at 5pm.  President's Day here tomorrow, so no school.  

My husband gets home today too, from Texas.  He's been gone since Tuesday and anymore I hate being alone.  I would drink a lot more when he was away and now I do think about it more when he is gone and I do get tempted for a few seconds.. It would be so easy to just have a few glasses of wine at night.  But I haven't done it. 

I increased the mirtazapine last night to 30mg just because I'm desperate to feel better now.  I slept pretty well, no anxiety before bedtime but this morning I felt really down but then I force myself to do something and it lifts a tiny bit, then a few minutes later I will have few minutes of excruciating feelings of dread and hopelessness, and then it passes and I'm back to just mostly anhedonia.  This is how it's felt for the past few days.

Going outside now to do some yard work in the sunshine.  I've been walking pretty consistently, sometimes for 2-3 hours and it helps a tiny bit.  I cry a lot too, and for some reason, I get  such relief for a little while afterward.  But I am convinced this depression is 98% a result of drugs/chemicals/ imbalance in my brain. 

@Mom2JTx3I often wish I had stuck with The Sinclair Method.  I was doing it with some success but still drinking way too much.  I had some bac so I took some out of desperation and the effect was so dramatic and so immediate I stopped the naltrexone and stuck with bac.  One time I took both and drank and became so ill for 1-2 days.  I think this was when I hit the "switch" . And like you said, I don't know if bac is causing the depression and I don't like the idea of taking this for the rest of my life.  Right now I'm at 100mg and scared to reduce.  I've thought about weaning off the bac and restarting TSM.  Maybe the depression would resolve but I strongly suspect i would start drinking uncontrollably again. So now I'm trying to find an antidepressant to work along with the baclofen, gabapentin to balance my mood.  Ideally, I would take nothing and not drink and feel great.  I wish this was possible but right now, it's not. 

 

 

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Molly78
On 2/18/2017 at 5:29 PM, Otter said:

My thinking is that this regime of taking it every several hours of every day is utterly exhausting, particularly when we had to get it on prescription, and with all the crap going on around us.

These days I don't find I need to take it every few hours. I used to when I first started & went on doing so probably for longer than I needed to.  I'm on 160 mg daily & I now take 80 mg around 8.30 am, before work, & 80 mg about 1.30 pm when I have my lunch. I 've been doing this now for the last 2 months, it works really well & no SE. Some people even take the whole dose first thing in the morning I belive - I wouldn't risk that in case I slept in or for some other reason went over 24 hours between doses, I think that might cause problems.

What total dose is your wife on now?  Can't you just rationalise it into 2 main doses?  You could then have both doses in plain view each day, so you would both be aware if one got forgotten.

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MJM

Well my 150mg Bac dose is not working. Drank again last night, about a bottle of red wine. It was weird – I had the thought in my head to drink at about 5pm, but then dismissed it as the last thing I needed. Maybe half an hour later I thought, 'why not'?

I'm going up to 160mg to see how I go. I am also going to force myself to exercise for 30min every day, in the hope that lifts the depression. I guess you could call it mild depression, because I don't spend all day in bed and am getting my work done – albeit not as quickly as I feel I could.

I might try what you do @Molly78, just two doses a day instead of three – morning and lunchtime. I feel as though I have forgotten a lunchtime dose a couple times in the last few weeks (it's frustrating; I really just can't remember if I have or haven't taken the damn things!) I have tried using a phone alarm in the past but then my son kept asking whay was the alarm going off. Maybe I will start using the alarm again and just tell my son that it's to remind me to take meds and leave it at that.

It has been stressful at home with my wife's drinking and when I'm drinking as well it doesn't go well. My wife sees an addiction specialist tomorrow and I really hope she can get onto Nal or something and stop drinking.

The hardest part of not drinking for a while is the emptyness. I need to find a way of filling that hole that doesn't involve booze.

Sometimes I think I'm just going around in circles, just trying random things. 

 

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Mom2JTx3

I also take my Baclofen twice a day with no side effects.  150 mg in the morning and 150 mg at night.  Works fine for me.   Titrating up I took it spread out 4, sometimes 5 times a day depending on how bad the side effects were.  After I reached indifference I went to 3 then to 2 times a day. 

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Otter
15 hours ago, Molly78 said:

These days I don't find I need to take it every few hours. I used to when I first started & went on doing so probably for longer than I needed to.  I'm on 160 mg daily & I now take 80 mg around 8.30 am, before work, & 80 mg about 1.30 pm when I have my lunch. I 've been doing this now for the last 2 months, it works really well & no SE. Some people even take the whole dose first thing in the morning I belive - I wouldn't risk that in case I slept in or for some other reason went over 24 hours between doses, I think that might cause problems.

What total dose is your wife on now?  Can't you just rationalise it into 2 main doses?  You could then have both doses in plain view each day, so you would both be aware if one got forgotten.

I don't know if I can do much more for her, to be frank. She is now fully aware of how it works and takes it regularly.  It seems to me there are personality or stroke or hormonal issues which simply can't be addressed by anything  at all. When she is ok she is fine, but when she isn't, it's very bad.  

I find part of my problem in getting help is that people do tend to think that because I am a professional, that my wife must be like me, ie., from the same background etc.  We have similar upbringings but my wife hit the bottle in her early thirties and drank a lot before that because she is...Scottish... and that is normal, it seems for Scots.   The result is that, despite having held down a good government job and living all over the world with the British Ministry of Defence, she reached a point where she was in as bad a situation with the drink as the worst drunk you would see in a gutter.  We went to meetings with professionals and I would ask if any had experience of anything like it and they just shook their heads.  I've not seen or experience anything like this but I don't know what other alcoholics are like.  I think this makes it difficult to compare notes because we are talking apple and oranges. This is someone with debilitating neurological issues and needs, needed a huge amount of medical help and support, and got none.

I don't think she will up the dose much more.   I think she is on only about 80 mg a day. That was her favourite maintenace dose and now she is also on Campral.  But, we get to a point where we think things are going to settle down and no sooner are we told that her mother is coming to live with us, but that her mother doesn't want to.  Nor do the daughters want to look after her.  So muggins is going to have to do all the running around, all the while being verbally abused by the woman who has no interest in being anywhere near us. It's all a bit hopeless.  My wife is in cloud cuckoo land thinking this will work out.  I just see it as bringing the whole caste of characters from Scotland here to make our lives hell again.  I wanted to get away from it but my wife "needs" this so I am going to have to go along with it.  I have become very mercenary about it.  I am insisting that we have access to her bank and that there is no monkeying around by the rest of the family thinking they are going to cut my wife out of here parents' estates.  They all have jobs and even the MIL has more income than us on her pensions.  None of them would lift a finger for us.  All because of their outlook on alcoholism as a moral failing.

@Alice22, thanks for the kind thoughts.  My wife is taking more responsibility, mainly because I more or less washed my hands of it. We had so many arguments over this that I eventually told her that it was up to her. I resented having done so much and then having her take the micky by skipping doses, buying booze and then castigating me for "forcing" baclofen on her.  So, I stopped, and she learned a hard lesson because she relapsed very hard and had no idea how to take baclofen since that was my "job".  Now she does her own medication but we seem to always have some big ugly problem rising up in front of us.  

For example, as a lawyer, I get sucked into things.  I joined a support group for ex-pats, and was quickly invited onto the governing committee.  I was then asked to look get involved with various projects.  Over the course of the last three years I realized I was being played and that the president of the organization was deeply dishonest and was using me to get into banking circles to sell insurance whereby he would take possession of people's homes when they died and their heirs would be left with nothing.  When I started calling him out, he started making things difficult for me so i have had to explain things to the other committee member, including a former Member of Parliament, and this guy has now been booted off the committee permanently.  I could say more but it has been harrowing and involved Embassy personnel here who were in on this scamming and one of them pretty much threatened me when I discussed this issue, telling me to "be careful".  I have therefore had to scale down what I have been doing which has caused a lot of stress for us both.  My wife's background, as well, is in military matters in the Middle East and she has been involved in things which aren't very nice and I can't discuss.  There's a lot of baggage from that which still hangs over us and causes us a lot of problems because we are having to shield something which if we discussed it openly would have serious repercussions to us as a family.  Such is life, unfortunately.  I live in hope that one day things that went around will come around for the people who have put us in this situation. They certainly deserve it.  

 

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Otter

Well, I confronted her and she said she was taking 40 mg a day.  I nearly fainted.  I'll have to monitor this.  I have no idea what she was thinking but she needs to taking at least 80 mg and probably over 100.  

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Felina

Well, I have some news to share :)

It's hard to believe it's been over six years since I hit my switch on baclofen. Also, to those of us who are "old school" baclofen users: looking back, isn't it especially amazing that at one period of time, anyone who needed baclofen could call a doctor in Chicago who would prescribe baclofen over the phone to anyone in the U.S.?  Those were some amazing times. 

I wish it was that easy to get a prescription for baclofen these days. After Dr. Levin quit prescribing, I bought liquid bac from dear lo0p until he passed away, then I started flying to Chicago to get prescriptions from a colleague of Dr. Levin's. But that was an expensive and exhausting ordeal. I eventually took to ordering online.

I've had health insurance for years. But I never tried to find a local doctor to prescribe bac to me, mostly because of the horror stories I've heard from people on these boards about their doctors' reactions...the idea of approaching a physician with a bunch of studies and asking them to prescribe just made me tired and sad. I didn't even want to approach it, even after I heard rumors of a local internal medicine doc who might prescribe it.

Anyway. I'm in my late 40s now. Aside from Student Health when I was in college, I've never had a primary care provider as an adult. All my years of alcoholism got in the way of self-care. So this year, I just figured it was time to start taking care of myself. I found a hippie-dippie APRN who practices out of an old restored house. I started going to see her a few weeks ago. She reminds me a lot of @Ne1's pdoc. She's all about clean living, supplements, exercise, stress relief, mindfulness, mind/body wellness etc. - basically all the stuff I've been living and breathing for years. But she also advertised that she practices "evidence-based" medicine. That got my attention. I went in today for my second visit.

Long story short: today she prescribed me high dose baclofen. All I had to do was ask.

I am so delighted! What a relief.

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Wow. Felina.  Times are changing, slowly.  I wonder how many there are out there now prescribing.   We are past that because we can go to a pharmacy around the corner and the pharmacist will give us baclofen for about $2 a box without prescription and if we need a prescription drug, we give him passport details and he has his uncle, a doctor, write a prescription.  It shows that things just don't need to be the way they are in other tightly regulated countries.  The reaction to baclofen is different.  No pharmacist questions it. They are all interested and cool about the whole thing. The doctors here aren't into it but we don't need to go to them for it so who cares.  It takes a whole level of stress out of the situation to be able to get it as easily as we can get booze.

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Oh student health - that was so easy! I miss it, only because somehow having a medical facility right on campus seemed far less intimidating than where I'm at now, needing to find a GP and get a checkup and all that.

Well, February draws to a close already. Sheesh.

Went to a reading last night at the local bookstore. A friend from grad school, reading from her first novel. Kind of wonderful, kind of depressing. Anyway, I'm still AF and still meds-free. Emotionally very flat, not sure what's up with the girl. She is frustrated and thinks I've checked out of the relationship. She thinks this is going down the same way it went with her ex - he stopped loving her and had a midlife crisis and an affair. She's worried I'm seeing someone else or thinking about seeing someone else, because we don't spend much time together and we haven't been intimate in a while. Little does she know that I don't feel like being physical with anyone. Just don't have the energy. She also doesn't believe me when I say that none of this would be an issue if I had even one drink, as she'd want nothing to do with me. Thinking about our relationship leads me to thinking about the fragility of sobriety.

Have been thinking about booze, man have I been thinking about booze off and on lately. Waiting for it to pass. Hopefully it does soon, as I come up on 3 months. Haven't bought groceries in a long time, the fridge is empty. Empty enough that one of the few things in it is that one beer that's been there since early December. Whatevs, trying to hold strong.

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SKendall

In Mexico having my teeth done with

 

dental departures.  Cost is $14,500 not including flight.  A bargain when compared to US dentists.  Yesterday was my worst day.  Mouth open for 4+ hours.  Today, very numb, painful and swollen.  Unfortunately, it looks as if I have Bell's palsy my mouth and lips are askew.  I went back this a.m. and was told 30 days and lots of B vitamins would help the nerve repair.

Hopefully, all will be good in 30 days.

 

How is everybody else doing?

 

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I'm still really struggling with depression and I guess it's anxiety too.  I had to go off the mirtazapine at 15mg.  I felt like a zombie, still down, bad sleep, irritable.   Funny I had that one good week on it.  So my pdoc suggested Lamotrigine . It's in a class of drugs I've never tried and I'm desperate to feel better so I started two nights ago at 25mg. It's a very slow titration because there is a risk for a horrible rash, so it'll take a few weeks to take full effect.  I am so hoping.   

I woke up a little while ago and I feel really awful, shaky, horrible dread and fear, different from usual depression.  I'm scared.  I took a final dose of 7.5 mirtazapine last night,  usual bac and gab, and the lamotrigine.  Maybe this is just a little comedown from the mirt . I took 40mg bac about 20 minutes ago and I think I'm feeling a little better.  This is how it is sometimes, I get waves of anxiety and depression, then it's ok for a a few minutes or a few hours.  I just keep trying to remember that this is all the medication and it's not me.  Not forever.  I'm just trying to find the right treatment, like any disease.  This is the only thing I can hang onto sometimes.  It can be a minute to minute thing.  I've been switching medications, going up and down so maybe this crushing mood is a result of all that and will be over.  I'm so exhausted. And frustrated.  

My kids just left for school and my husband is out of town but some workers are coming to replace some floors so I'm glad to have someone around.  I might call my neighbor to talk.  Thanks for letting me ramble here.  

Still AF.  Right now the thought makes me sick.  

 

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I just googled mirtazipine withdrawal and I think a lot of this is due to that.  I was on it only a month. Due to take none tonight but I think I have a refill and might pick up just to reinstate 7.5 and reduce more slowly.  Either that or just gut this out and it might be over sooner.  I'm so tired of feeling like this

 

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Thanks @Nicnak and I'm so grateful to be AF. 

God luck to you titrating up. I know you'll get there

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It was good to hear from you @StuckinLA and congratulations on all the AF, drug free time. I wish I could do it your way.  Sounds like your depressed or experiencing anhedonia which is typical with new sobriety. As I'm sure you know. I've been struggling for months to feel better and resorting to chemical help because I can't take it anymore. It is hard on relationships and unless I was married to my husband, he might have ditched me a long time ago. I don't know the history of you and your girl, but it takes a lot of commitment and maturity to be in a relationship with an alcoholic or addict or depressed person. I think there has to be a firm foundation of love and trust and commitment in order for the relationship to survive.  I am so lucky to have this in my husband, but he is old and very emotionally stable and he doesn't need much attention from me right now, unlike a young girlfriend who, understandably, wants to have fun with her boyfriend.   So I don't know what to tell you. Depression is paralyzingly and it clouds everything. When you begin to feel better you'll be clearer about how to move forward with the girl. It sounds like she really loves you. 

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@Felina my pdoc prescribes baclofen 120mg/ day, no problem. ( I take 100mg now) and he takes my insurance and I can walk to his office.  I took this as a sign I was meant to use baclofen. 

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@StuckinLA very well done on your AF time.  As many have pointed out - being AF doesn't necessarily solve your other problems.

@Felina what good news about finding someone to prescribe for you!  6 years - wow!  I am 3 years sober but not abstinent.  Buying online.  Not much hope of a prescription in the UK but I do get 30 mg daily from my GP "for muscle tension due to back problems".  Better than nothing, but still need to buy a further 130 mg daily.

@Alice22 sorry to hear of your ongoing low mood.  I don't know much about lamotrigine for depression, don't think it has been discussed on here, but hope it works for you.

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There seem to be 2 threads labelled "Checking in February for some reason? Anyway, I will post on this one!

Today I have had a good  day.

A non-working day so went to the gym for my pilates class at 9.15 am.  I work from a DVD several times a week, but it's good to go to a class as well.  After the class I went into the gym for a workout.  As usual, my session on the rowing machine & treadmill induced nothing but  boredom, especially as the TV on the treadmill had no subtitles - what's the point of "Homes under the Hammer" with no narrative?  I also used the various machines for core strength, but was glad to get  home.  No endorphins as usual.

Weather in the UK is unseasonably mild so I went straight out into the garden.  First the dog & I checked the mole traps.  No moles (they are winning so far this year) but I got my fingers caught in one of the the traps.  Ow!  Then down the field to check the damage from yesterday's Storm Doris.  Lots of branches down & some dead trees in the hedge had blown over.  Went to work managing to get lots of "self-harm" marks all up my arms between gloves & t-shirt from the brambles (these always cause interest at work the next day), plus a dislodged branch fell on my head & I turned my ankle on a molehill (they seem to get their revenge somehow).

Once I had a reasonable pile I decided on a bonfire - I love bonfires.  While trying to light it I managed to melt my gardening glove onto my hand & after I removed the glove, along with some skin, I got splinters in my finger from an old fencepost on the bonfire.  It got going really well & then I briefly set fire to my hair.  Finally had to give up because my back was hurting.

So I came back into the house on a high.  @BarrelChested is quite right (re discussion in another thread) - you don't get endorphins without serious tissue damage!  Whereas I'm not prepared to exercise to the extent that I get torn muscles/tendons, once I get in the garden there's no stopping me.  Many's the time I get stuck in to a task that is really beyond my capabilities, & whereas my rational mind is saying "give up now & pay a man to do it" my irrational mind won't give up.  I just keep going until I have hurt myself.  Then.....I get the endorphin high I am always unsuccessfully seeking in the gym!

So the dog & I are sitting in front of the fire licking our wounds (she gets thorns between her pads, poor thing, so she is literally licking her wounds!) & feeling pleased with ourselves.  The sun is setting behind the trees.  I will try to get a photo at some point to post on here.  Looking forward to more of the same when the spring really does arrive.  I suspect we will have some winter weather though before that happens.

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Nicnak

@SKendall wow,that's a lot of money for dentistry work!.....in the U.K. I'd expect a Hollywood smile for that.

@Molly78 we've massive's of small branches come down here because of storm Doris (southeast) My house backs onto parkland do we are out the back gate and straight out to walk the dog but stripping over all the small the bits of wood

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Mom2JTx3

:) @Molly78 Thanks for that.  Your post made me LOL.  Set your hair on fire???  OMG!  Glad you're OK! 

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On 20/02/2017 at 0:07 AM, MJM said:

(it's frustrating; I really just can't remember if I have or haven't taken the damn things!)

 

I used to do this - A lot, but I finally forced myself to write down on a bit of paper the times in the day I take them. I also have an alarm on my phone. I still occasionally silence the alarm and still do not take them. <sigh>

1 hour ago, Molly78 said:

 I suspect we will have some winter weather though before that happens.

 

Apparently it is getting colder. Cut the grass last weekend and the Pianna did some gardening in the sun. 

Had a couple of functions recently, one especially was particularly unpleasant. Lots of very drunk people repeating themselves with aggression and nonsense. That would have been me two years ago I chucked in the car, as I drove my drunk wife home.

Regards

 

Bacman

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SKendall

In Mexico having my teeth done with

 

dental departures.  Cost is $14,500 not including flight.  A bargain when compared to US dentists.  Yesterday was my worst day.  Mouth open for 4+ hours.  Today, very numb, painful and swollen.  Unfortunately, it looks as if I have Bell's palsy my mouth and lips are askew.  I went back this a.m. and was told 30 days and lots of B vitamins would help the nerve repair.

Hopefully, all will be good in 30 days.

 

How is everybody else doing?

 

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SKendall

Molly, ouch, ouch and ouch.  I think gardening has a satisfaction, job well done factor as opposed to some workouts when nothing seems to be happening.

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The final bill for dental was $12,000.  Years ago when husband had it done it was $8,000 per tooth. general anesthesia and Percocet for recovery.  I had local anesthesia and Tylenol for recovery.  In Dallas, one implant is $4,800 so I made out like a bandit!

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Mom2JTx3

@SKendall what exactly did you have done?  Just curious as I'm always having issues with my teeth!

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